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Psssst, Romney Detractors…Part 2 – To the Anti-Mormons

31 Aug

This one continues to baffle me. Even in 2012, members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints (LDS) are still seen as members of some mysterious cult. Really people? Even more disturbing are people who have ongoing relationships with a Mormon(s) and still object to Romney because of his faith.

So let’s expose Mormonism to those of you who are using some other excuse not to vote for Romney when we all know the real reason is prejudice against Mormons.

Naming the church after Jesus Christ. What kind of ruse is that? They end all prayers, “In the name of Thy Son, Jesus Christ, Amen.” When Mormon’s pray, and they pray a lot, they begin the prayer with “Dear Heavenly Father” and get this, they actually THANK God for all of their blessings before asking for anything. Wow, that’s seriously messed up. What other religion does that kind of thing?

Then there are The Articles of Faith, all thirteen of them. This includes:

  1. We believe in God, the Eternal Father, and in His Son, Jesus Christ, and in the Holy Ghost.

3.   We believe that through the Atonement of Christ, all mankind may be saved, by obedience to the laws and ordinances of the Gospel.

6.  We believe in the same organization that existed in the Primitive Church, namely, apostles, prophets, pastors, teachers, evangelists, and so forth.

11.  We claim the privilege of worshiping Almighty God according to the dictates of our own conscience, and allow all men the same privilege, let them worship how, where, or what they may.

13.  We believe in being honest, true, chaste, benevolent, virtuous, and in doing good to all men; indeed, we may say that we follow the admonition of Paul-We believe all things, we hope all things, we have endured many things, and hope to be able to endure all things. If there is anything virtuous, lovely, or of good report or praiseworthy, we seek after these things.

Well no wonder people are suspicious of Mormons. I mean, really, those Articles of Faith are really radical. But it gets even more radical. Case in point, what Mormons believe about Jesus:

“Jesus Christ is the Savior of the world and the Son of God. He is our Redeemer. The Holy Bible teaches us that Jesus Christ’s mother was Mary, His father on earth was Joseph, that He was born in Bethlehem and raised in Nazareth, and labored with Joseph as a carpenter. When he turned 30, He began a three-year ministry of teaching, blessing, and healing the people of the Holy Land. He also organized His Church and gave His apostles “power and authority” ( Luke 9:1 ) to assist in His work.”

“But what do we mean when we say He is the Savior of the world? The Redeemer? Each of these titles point to the truth that Jesus Christ is the only way by which we can return to live with our Heavenly Father. Jesus suffered and was crucified for the sins of the world, giving each of God’s children the gift of repentance and forgiveness. Only by His mercy and grace can anyone be saved. His subsequent resurrection prepared the way for every person to overcome physical death as well. These events are called the Atonement. In short, Jesus Christ saves us from sin and death. For that, he is very literally our Savior and Redeemer. In the future Jesus Christ will return to reign on earth in peace for a thousand years. Jesus Christ is the Son of God, and He will be our Lord forever.”

But what about Joseph Smith? What about him? Everyone makes a big deal about the fact that the Church was organized by Joseph Smith in Fayette, NY on April 6, 1830. So let’s talk about Martin Luther and the Lutherans. Does Marty get a pass because he started the Lutheran Church in 1521 instead of 1830? How about John Wesley and the Methodist Church? That was less than a hundred years prior to Joseph Smith’s founding of the Mormon Church. Or John Calvin and the Presbyterian Church in 1707.  I could go on, but I think I’ve made my point. No one thinks about how other religions started or who started them because they didn’t start in America.  The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints is uniquely American. Which could explain why Mormons believe that this is a chosen nation and that The Declaration of Independence and The Constitution are divinely inspired documents.  Oh, now that is too much – all that and they are incredibly patriotic too?

Yes indeed, those Mormons really bear watching. When someone believes in God, family, Country, service to others, fidelity, self-reliance, taking care of those in need, building churches only when they have saved the money to do so, etc. they really need close-scrutiny.  Oh, and one last thing – Mormons DO believe in the Bible and like most Baptists, use The King James Version for teaching and study.

So if you call yourself a Christian and can’t bring yourself to vote for a Mormon because you are grossly ignorant of the history or facts of the Church, then just remember that by default you are voting for a man who is Black Liberation Theologist at best, and sympathetic to Islam and Shariah Law at worst. If you are comfortable with that, then God help us all.

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11 responses to “Psssst, Romney Detractors…Part 2 – To the Anti-Mormons

  1. Twaddlefree

    September 1, 2012 at 4:45 pm

    How unfortunate that this author fails to define the real argument, choosing, instead, to continue the deception. The term “cult” has been misused over the years. In the proper theological sense, which, after all, IS what is being discussed…the differences in the THEOLOGY of Mormons versus Christianity…is exactly how it was used by Reverend Robert Jeffress when he was baited into commenting for the purposes of using the issue against Rick Perry, Christians, and then Romney, the definition of a “Christian cult” is a group that holds many beliefs in common with historic Christianity, but denies certain core tenets of the Christian faith.

    A few of these are:

    1. The Holy Trinity (meaning that God the Father, Jesus Christ the Son, and the Holy Ghost are ONE essence and three persons)
    2. The Bible as the ONLY God-inspired and authoritative standard for faith and practice
    3. That Jesus Christ was, is, and forever will be the eternal, immutable Son of God
    4. That justification of sinful people only comes by faith, alone, in the merits of Christ, alone

    The proper use of the word “cult” has been abandoned in modern American culture in favor of the sensationalized extremes, i.e. David Koresh, Jim Jones, Wicca, and Satanism, when increasingly mainstream religions such as Jehovah Witness and Christian Science are also cults. Not even Romney could defend his religion when asked about it, because he likely doesn’t know the distinction. (Or perhaps, like this author, he prefers not to reveal it.) Adding fuel to the deliberately media-initiated “fire,” Romney, instead, labeled the comments as “name-calling.” If he had been able to clearly state that, yes, there are differences between the Mormon Church and Christianity, BUT that his life is led based on the Biblical values he was taught and that have been held by his family for generations, the issue would have been immediately DEAD and defused. The media would never have given ANYONE — and especially Jeffress, who DID explain it — the time to accurately discuss the terminology, even if the majority of those interviewed actually understood it.

    However, the Mormon church also needs to be honest in its core beliefs, making a clear distinction as to what it teaches and believes relative to historic Christianity and the majority of evangelical Christians, today. The arguments regarding the founders of various “churches” is invalid when comparing it to Joseph Smith and the establishment of the Mormon church. Luther, Calvin, and Wesley were all reformers RETURNING to orthodox Christianity after defilement and apostasy by the Catholic and Anglican churches. Their only standard for establishing new denominations of the Christian church was the Bible, not new prophets, new revelations, and new authorities. The Mormon Church was a radical departure from historic Christianity. To attempt to mainstrain Mormonism and take advantage of the ignorance of the average person as to what a “cult” is and what Mormons do NOT believe is just as disingenuous as the liberal media making Romney a modern “cultist” (and Jeffress into a bigot).

    Being a Mormon is not a reason I would reject a candidate. Only those ignorant of the facts, i.e. what the word “cult” means when being used to describe Mormonism, or those so prejudicial in their own religious beliefs would vote (or not vote) based on some religious confession/belief/association that doesn’t exactly match his or own. That is completely wrongheaded and displays a lack of faith in the sovereignty of God in man’s affairs. It would, in fact, mean that people of faith would rarely vote at all! I agree with what the media commonly left OUT of Jefress’s comments when he stated, “I’m going to advise people that it is much better to vote for a non-Christian who embraces biblical values than to vote for a professing Christian like Barack Obama who embraces un-biblical values.”

    I agree with the assessment of Obama’s “religion.” Being a Black Liberation “Christian” is the same as being a Socialist. Being a Socialist President of the USA would require a change to our Constitution, something we never heard as a part of Obama’s agenda, but have seen occurring repeatedly in the last four years via devious and unconstitutional means. And, yes, being a Muslim (admitted or not) is NOT a religious belief in ANY way acceptable to America’s form of Constitutional government and all that it means for an economy and culture. They are incompatible. Islam is based on a theocracy, a form of government, economics and culture that cloaks every aspect of life in hardfast rules that are total anathema to the natural freedoms endowed to man by their Creator and which are protected in America by our Constitution.

     
    • Deborah Sampson

      September 1, 2012 at 8:00 pm

      It certainly is interesting that the four tenets of the Christian faith that you chose to illustrate that Mormons were different from the Christian faith are clearly stated in the original post as part of the core Mormon beliefs.

       
      • Twaddlefree

        September 1, 2012 at 9:08 pm

        Actually, they differ considerably, as do many other teachings of the Mormon church. This is precisely why I suggest honest disclosure of the differences.

         
  2. Deborah Sampson

    September 1, 2012 at 8:22 pm

    Neither Romney or the author are attempting to hide anything about the church. Also, you mention that Martin Luther, Calvin, etc., Wesley were reformers and therefore legitimate. Mormons believe that God restored Christ’s Church through Joseph Smith. Please explain the difference. Why is it legitimate for Lutherans, Methodists, et al to believe that their leader was a reformer but it is not acceptable for Mormons to believe that Christ’s church could be restored through a prophet in the 19th century? More about the LDS beliefs regarding restorarion can be found at http://mormon.org/restoration. All Christians profess that they are following the right path according to the dictates of God. The only entity who knows the truth is God Almighty. In the end, it’s a matter of personal faith and as Americans we are still free to worship according to our own dictates. What I find so interesting is that non-Mormons seem to be so hell bent on proving that the Mormons are absolutely wrong. Which always makes me wonder, what is that you are so afraid of?

     
    • GotMullet

      September 2, 2012 at 2:01 pm

      Hooray, Deborah!

      Was it Romney that brought religious affiliation into this race? Nope. It is not constitutional.

      Can you imagine the positivity that could be if the anti-‘s were turn their negativity for something positive, like moving our national ship away from a port side drift?

      ‘My way or the highway’ doesn’t work so well in a constitutional republic. (Especially when it is regard to something that really isn’t their business.) It pisses too many people off!

       
      • GotMullet

        September 2, 2012 at 2:11 pm

        One more thought…. The Left play the the anti-Mormons like a finely tuned fiddle from now to election day. This way, the end will justify the means.

         
      • Deborah Sampson

        September 2, 2012 at 2:28 pm

        Thank you, GotMullet!

         
  3. Twaddlefree

    September 1, 2012 at 9:32 pm

    I never said anything about legitimacy. That is your own defensiveness, presumably. I simply made an objective comparison. I also never said anyone was right or wrong. I simply compared historical Christianity to Mormonism based on the definition of the word “cult” which is a theological term and the entire thesis of your article.

    The Mormon church is well aware of this word’s application to it and why. Instead of refuting the use of it as legitimate on the actual basis of its application, you have manipulated the truth by allowing readers to think the word means an extremist group with brainwashed followers and no connection to Christianity. The words “Jesus Christ,” “Jehovah,” “Christian,” etc. in one’s church name or even in church teachings and writings do not make a church or religion Christian. Muslims “believe in” Jesus Christ, too. Rather than you reacting to an objective response to the issue by accusing me of being desperate to prove Mormons wrong, perhaps a sincere search for the differences is in order.

    I have merely outlined some of the basic tenets of Christianity that are not a part of Mormonism, making no judgment, whatsoever, on Mormonism. These tenets are absolutely NOT held by Mormons, despite the fact that it may appear they are with some similar verbiage that gives the impression that they are. Maybe a talk with your Bishop would help you see that more clearly. If he agrees that the four tenets I listed ARE officially a tenet of the Mormon church, I would want to talk to him immediately, as well as see the actual documents that state them.

     
  4. Deborah Sampson

    September 2, 2012 at 10:20 am

    If Jesus Christ himself appeared to you and said that Mormons were indeed Christians you would doubt him.

     
  5. Stacy Macdonald

    September 6, 2012 at 4:10 am

    I think it’s hilarious when people claim that Mormon people are not Christians. Aren’t Christians people that believe in Jesus Christ? Hello—The Mormons claim Jesus Christ in their official church name. Example: The Church of “Jesus Christ” and Latter Day Saints. Mormons Believe in Jesus Christ. There are pictures of Christ througout Mormon Temples, Visitor Centers, Churches, and homes. If any of you want more information visit LDS.org.

     
  6. Rex Thomas

    September 9, 2012 at 3:22 am

    I don’t believe anyone can be convinced of spiritual truths solely by reasoning. To actually know the truthfulness of spiritual principles and believe them, a person needs the witness of the Holy Spirit. To receive such a witness, one must be open to receiving it.
    I do know that if a person has a true desire to know the truth they can receive a witness of the truth. And I know, twaddlefree, if you will read the Book of Mormon with an open heart and an open mind, then ask the Spirit to testify to you of its truthfulness that you will receive it. That is an eternal promise.
    But, if you’re only reading it to prove what you want with your own agenda, you will not be entitled to that promise and will remain as spiritually blind as were the Pharisees, who knew everything about the law, but nothing about the spirit.
    Don’t you believe that a Heavenly Father who loved us enough to send us prophets and revelation of old and to sacrifice His only Son loves us just as much today and is quite capable of revealing His will to us today as He was in ancient times? Because I testify to you that He can and that He does.
    Pray about it. Don’t take my word for it.

     

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